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by PawPatrol
Wed Feb 15, 2023 8:25 am
Forum: Appliances
Topic: Single Phase Welders, let's get to the bottom of this
Replies: 7
Views: 7531

Re: Single Phase Welders, let's get to the bottom of this

WorkSafe - Energy Safety did something about this situation in 2021 and issued a prohibition on use of an adaptor/supply lead that allows a higher rated plug to be adapted down to a lower rated plug without inline protection. Sign up to the updates on their website, that's how they advise of things ...
by PawPatrol
Tue Apr 05, 2022 2:04 pm
Forum: Distribution, Networks & Metering
Topic: Point of Supply
Replies: 11
Views: 7933

Re: Point of Supply

I love the CD argument that you can get into with engineers. While a CD provides a bum cover for the electrician, the designer is still liable if the design isn't a certified design. Regulation 14 spells this out and its not an offence for being unsafe, rather an offence for not being safe! Therefor...
by PawPatrol
Fri Mar 25, 2022 12:20 pm
Forum: Transportable Installations
Topic: RCD requirements
Replies: 10
Views: 8195

Re: RCD requirements

For a "tiny home" that's plugged in (16 or 32A supply), does the "minimum of two RCD" requirement apply in a transportable if there is more than one final subcircuit? (2.6.2.4(b)(ii) ) Ignore the label of tiny home. It depends on what the designer intended. If the designer of the electrical install...
by PawPatrol
Fri Mar 25, 2022 12:18 pm
Forum: Transportable Installations
Topic: Imported US boat
Replies: 5
Views: 4846

Re: Imported US boat

I'm late to the party as usual. There is nothing in the ESR preventing an electrical installation on a boat that was built outside of New Zealand from existing and being used. It would need to be powered with US specification electricity to not be actually used or the use of the installation would b...
by PawPatrol
Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:52 pm
Forum: Standards and Legislation
Topic: Mains Work
Replies: 3
Views: 3033

Re: Mains Work

In AS/NZS 3000:2007 Fig 5.2 shows a HV Customer Substation supplying a Main Swb (no MEN link) are the conductors supplying this swb "mains" ? ESR reg 4 has the definitions of "mains" and "mains work" both refer to connecting the conductors to a MEN switchboard. If the POS is the substation then, no...
by PawPatrol
Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:50 pm
Forum: Selection and Installation of Wiring Systems
Topic: Overhead mains near trees
Replies: 6
Views: 2554

Re: Overhead mains near trees

Have a read of the Electricity (Hazards from Trees) Regulations 2003 Schedule Growth limit zones for some more information https://www.legislation.govt.nz/regulation/public/2003/0375/latest/DLM233405.html https://www.worksafe.govt.nz/laws-and-regulations/regulations/electrical-regulations/electrici...
by PawPatrol
Thu Sep 23, 2021 7:45 pm
Forum: Protective Devices
Topic: RCD Feeding RCD discrimination
Replies: 5
Views: 5805

Re: RCD Feeding RCD discrimination

Hi, RCD feeding in RCD - discrimination Can we have a 30ma RCBO acting as an isolator feeding two other 30ma RCBOS(one for lighting circuit and one for PowerPoint) ? Cheers Take the type s out and throw them in the bin, they will likely never trip as the upstream one will trip first cutting the cur...
by PawPatrol
Mon Sep 06, 2021 11:14 am
Forum: Standards and Legislation
Topic: Standards - Cited vs Current
Replies: 2
Views: 2723

Re: Standards - Cited vs Current

You must follow the cited standard. End of story. If you want to follow a newer version, you must first follow the cited standard. The way to do it in non-domestic is this: 1. do a clause by clause evaluation of the new standard vs the old standard, checking that there is nothing 'less safe' in the ...
by PawPatrol
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:25 pm
Forum: Electric Vehicles and Charging Systems
Topic: Imported EV's
Replies: 4
Views: 6558

Re: Imported EV's

Dano wrote:
Fri Apr 23, 2021 11:48 am
Looks like an email to ES is in order. Thanks for your help Alec.
How did you get on with ES?
by PawPatrol
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:21 pm
Forum: General Electrical Discussions
Topic: PSOA questions
Replies: 6
Views: 8438

Re: PSOA questions

Hi, That is not a PSOA as it is non compliant. It is likely deemed unsafe by the ESR (based solely on the link you provided): Regulation 23(1)(g) of the ESR contains a unsafe provision based on a safety function that means an appliance cannot overload its plug. The use of this 'adaptor' allows the c...
by PawPatrol
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:10 pm
Forum: Selection and Installation of Wiring Systems
Topic: Overload Protection
Replies: 5
Views: 3162

Re: Overload Protection

Hi, There was no need, that I can see from your description, that you had to worry about the 1.5mm cable, unless the owner wanted you to (full rewire etc). Just because something exists in an installation doesn't mean that you have to upgrade it to todays rules. Unless it is unsafe, then the home ow...
by PawPatrol
Mon Jun 14, 2021 1:02 pm
Forum: Switchboards
Topic: Switchboard access changes due to AS/NZS 3000-2018 Amendment 2
Replies: 4
Views: 16342

Re: Switchboard access changes due to AS/NZS 3000-2018 Amendment 2

AlecK wrote:
Mon Jun 14, 2021 11:39 am
But the fact of any change being made requires readers to put aside old interpretations, and take the revised clauses on their own merit.
Well said!
by PawPatrol
Mon May 24, 2021 9:41 am
Forum: Standards and Legislation
Topic: Changes to Regulations
Replies: 3
Views: 1841

Re: Changes to Regulations

Put in a submission that it should be there!
by PawPatrol
Fri May 07, 2021 10:31 am
Forum: General Electrical Discussions
Topic: PSOA questions
Replies: 6
Views: 8438

Re: PSOA questions

Thanks AlecK thats what I thought. On its name plate they call it a "site box" and that it complies with 3190 and 3012. Unfortunately when I raised it with the manufacturer their reply was basically it has a SDoC and we have spent lots of money getting it certified not bugger off. I first saw it in...
by PawPatrol
Fri May 07, 2021 10:29 am
Forum: General Electrical Discussions
Topic: Building Inspector quoting from AS/NZS 3000:2018
Replies: 7
Views: 6473

Re: Building Inspector quoting from AS/NZS 3000:2018

Hi All Had an issue today on a new construction site of a large Retirement Village where the Building Inspector was quoting to our guys on site, the earthing requirements of AS/NZS 3000:2018 in regard to framing, in particular section 5.4.6, and what we should be earthing etc. His comment was that ...
by PawPatrol
Fri May 07, 2021 10:16 am
Forum: Switchboards
Topic: Main switch readily accessible exception
Replies: 11
Views: 9411

Re: Main switch readily accessible exception

In regards to this question I have tried to find the answer in previous posts but have not found but if iv missed it I apologise. Iv seen situations where main switches are not readily accessible for example a switchboard in a classroom needs key to access main switch A multi unit complex where a p...
by PawPatrol
Fri May 07, 2021 9:58 am
Forum: Standards and Legislation
Topic: AS/NZS 3000:2007 Superseded?
Replies: 9
Views: 4616

Re: AS/NZS 3000:2007 Superseded?

My understanding is that all industry orgs have repeatedly sought & supported the updating of citations. 3years ago MasterElectricians put a lot of effort into providing a nationwide roadshow covering changes in 2018 edition of "3000"; in expectation that the ESRs amendment would happen as previous...
by PawPatrol
Fri May 07, 2021 9:55 am
Forum: Standards and Legislation
Topic: AS/NZS 3000:2007 Superseded?
Replies: 9
Views: 4616

Re: AS/NZS 3000:2007 Superseded?

2018 is the newest version, but the ESR's cite the 2007 Version, it's good practice to use the 2018 version but there are a few instances where 2018 contradicts 2007, in those cases 2007 should be used. Hi, Sorry it is not good practice to use the 2018 version. a person would in fact commit an offe...
by PawPatrol
Fri May 07, 2021 9:48 am
Forum: Standards and Legislation
Topic: ESR 24 - is this an error?
Replies: 3
Views: 2446

Re: ESR 24 - is this an error?

No its not an error. It is only intended to cover RCDs used for compliance with the ESR. It would not contravene the ESR if someone (PEW and license etc required) installed an RCD that is not Type A or not 30ma so long as it was not for compliance with the ESR. Look at the first part of the regulati...
by PawPatrol
Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:18 pm
Forum: Damp Situations
Topic: Towel Rail
Replies: 6
Views: 6612

Re: Towel Rail

ESR 23 includes a requirement that the voltage be "appropriately and adequately" marked; else it's electrically unsafe. Anything else would be covered by relevant product standard. Point being it's not our job to check this stuff. If it's a DMRA, then there will be an SDoC that states what Standard...
by PawPatrol
Wed Jul 29, 2020 11:11 pm
Forum: Protective Devices
Topic: Looking at a comment in Electrolink
Replies: 9
Views: 9227

Re: Looking at a comment in Electrolink

The regulations don't consider what they have on their web site, but rater what the product says.
by PawPatrol
Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:21 am
Forum: Inspection
Topic: Portacom Inspection
Replies: 8
Views: 4625

Re: Portacom Inspection

Report it to Energy Safety and don't touch it.

Unless they are paying you for all your investigation and sorting out time?
by PawPatrol
Fri Jul 17, 2020 8:17 am
Forum: Protective Devices
Topic: Looking at a comment in Electrolink
Replies: 9
Views: 9227

Re: Looking at a comment in Electrolink

If you use them for a 3ph load, then with one or two turned off, it could have up to 400V across it. And I guess technically, if one circuit breaker out of 3 on a 3phase circuit trips, it is breaking to an open circuit voltage of up to 400V. But yes, mostly they are used on single phase circuits, e...
by PawPatrol
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:46 pm
Forum: Protective Devices
Topic: Type A & Type AC RCDs
Replies: 5
Views: 6539

Re: Type A & Type AC RCDs

If an RCD used in NZ is labelled as being Type AC, however passes a test when tested as Type A does it comply? 8.3.10.2 note 1 If the RCD being tested is marked with the symbol confirming that it is a Type A RCD, the residual direct pulsating current testing may be omitted. Is this note implying an...
by PawPatrol
Thu Jul 02, 2020 12:39 pm
Forum: Inspection
Topic: Inspectors responsibility or not
Replies: 10
Views: 5258

Re: Inspectors responsibility or not

IMO, as an inspector when we do an inspection the ROI details exactly what high risk work was inspected, the work inspected is also detailed on the COC issued by the electrician. I have always selected "part installation" when completing the ROI as the high risk work is just that - part of the inst...
by PawPatrol
Fri Jun 05, 2020 8:42 am
Forum: Electric Vehicles and Charging Systems
Topic: EV mobile connector
Replies: 5
Views: 6603

Re: EV mobile connector

Yip your correct.

But an iccpd isnt installed, it is just pluged in by anyone so not affected by that clause.
by PawPatrol
Thu Jun 04, 2020 9:30 pm
Forum: Electric Vehicles and Charging Systems
Topic: EV mobile connector
Replies: 5
Views: 6603

Re: EV mobile connector

Hi, This is probably a bit late, Sorry but that's a mode 2 IC-CPD. (unless my Google search for the model is wrong, I remember Tesla originally made a mode 1 charging cable with a portable RCD inline.) Mode 1 is basically an extension lead that plugs into a socket outlet and then into a car - there ...